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This Q&A was conducted by Lisa
Burks and is presented here as it was on harlean.com, with
her permission.
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And now, ladies and gentlemen, Ms. Eve Golden....
PLATINUM PAGE: First off, why did you choose Jean Harlow
as the subject of your first biography?
EVE GOLDEN: Because nothing decent had ever been done on
her. I remember when I was a kid and I first read the Irving Shulman
book, I was horrified. I'd always found her interesting -- I'd been
watching her films since I was pretty small -- and I kept thinking
to myself "I
wish somebody would write a book on her." I was working as an advertising
copy writer at the time and thought "for goodness sake, why don't I do
it?" Had somebody else been working on one at the time I just probably
would have helped them and never written the book but no one else
was.
PP: When you were doing your research did you run into
sources that, due to the Shulman book, were reluctant to talk to
you because they'd been burned before?
EG: Not really, I found quite the opposite -- that people
were so desperate to tell the truth; that her friends and relatives
were very anxious to get the truth out there.
PP: Was it easy to track down these sources?
EG: No, that's half the work right there, finding the sources.
And it's always invariably after the book is published that somebody
will pop up who you didn't know existed and that's infuriating. But
people were delighted to help out and just sheerly by chance I located
one of Jean's cousins who was really very helpful in getting her FBI
records and getting her medical records declassified and things like
that. He and I are still friends and it was a sheer coincidence because
I wrote to the historical society where Jean's grandparents came from
and the same day my letter arrived he had arrived to research family
history. So it was just absolute coincidence that we ran into each
other and he was a great help.
PP: Was this cousin your best source?
EG: He was one of them. He was good as far as background and
family history. I also spoke to Gilbert Roland, Sam Marx, Irene Mayer
Selznick, Olivia De Havilland. I was very, very angry that I didn't
really find Anita Page until after the book was published because she
had some great stories. Barbara Brown was Jean's stand-in, I spoke
to her, and also Maureen O'Sullivan.
PP: When you were approaching publishers for this book,
was it a hard sell?
EG: Oh gosh, yes! Any biography today is a hard sell unless
it's Jackie or O.J. Publishers do not want to put the time and money
into the advertising and promotion of biographies that aren't guaranteed
bestsellers. So Jean Harlow was a kind of a hard sell but fortunately
I found a good publisher. I was lucky.
PP: Your book did well, are you surprised to find that
there are still so many Jean Harlow fans out there?
EG: Oh, no! I knew if I liked her, other people had to. I
was kind of surprised at all the Theda Bara fans out there.
PP: Another wonderful biography as well!
EG: Thank you. But you can pick anybody, a person that you
think nobody else in the entire world has ever even heard of, and you
will find hordes of fans out there, it's amazing.
PP: What do you think is the one quality that Jean Harlow
possessed that still makes her appealing to fans today?
EG: I think she comes across as just a genuinely nice person.
There's a few people, like her and Marion Davies, that you can just
tell by looking at them and watching them act. I mean Jean Harlow was
not the greatest actress in Hollywood. She was a good comedienne and
she was a so-so dramatic actress but there were other women that were
prettier than her and there were other women who were more talented
than her. But she comes across as just a really genuinely nice person.
PP: In talking with fans, what do you find was the biggest
misconception that they had about Jean before they read your book?
EG: I think the way she died. I was fortunate in, that after
almost two years of fighting with the hospital, getting her medical
records declassified and finding out that she had constant medical
treatment during her illness. Also, of course, all the nonsense that
Shulman started about Paul Bern's death. And also the fact that in
the last year or two of her life she was really starting to take charge
of her life. She helped Mama Jean toss out Marino Bello, she was taking
more of an interest in her career, things like that. She was starting
to grow up in the last year and a half or so.
PP: With the film rights to your book optioned, who do
you have in mind to be cast in the major roles?
EG: I don't have any Jean Harlows in mind but do you know
who I would love to see play Mama Jean? Jean Smart. I just think she'd
be a fabulous Mama Jean and I also think Jeff Bridges would be a great
William Powell. Also, and this is an odd one, you know who I think
would be a good Paul Bern? I don't know if you're familiar with him
or not but he's a British comic named Rowan Atkinson. He's a very good
actor and he looks like Paul Bern. This is completely off the top of
my head, I don't know if any of these people are available or interested
or affordable but it's my wishlist. I don't have any Jeans in mind
at all though.
PP: It didn't seem to work casting a name actress in the
lead role (Carroll Baker and Carol Lynley) for the two really bad
1965 films based on Shulman's book.
EG: Oh god, oh god, they were so awful. But you know there's
almost never been a good movie biography made which is why I really
think this has got to be done on television. I see this done as a two-part
mini-series. Almost every single feature film biography bombed. I mean
you go back to the 50's and you see the ones they did then and they
were just horrendous.
PP: I would think that an unknown actress would be perfect
to play Jean. The previous films were more like "Carroll Baker *is*
Jean Harlow!" It takes away from who Jean really was.
EG: Well you know who physically resembles Jean Harlow a lot,
I don't know if she'd be right for the role or not, is Emily Lloyd.
Just facially she looks like her a lot but I have no idea if she'd
be right for the role or whether she'd be available or not. But the
woman who gets the role has to be able to play light comedy, that's
very important.
PP: On a totally different topic, are you a collector of
Harlow or other movie memorabilia?
EG: Not really, no. I have a three-drawer filing cabinet of
articles, photographs and obituaries that I've been collecting literally
since I was 10 years old. I'm not going to tell you how long ago that
was. (Laughs) But I write for Classic Images, a monthly magazine on
film history. They've been in business for about 30 years and I've
been writing for them for about five years now. Almost every month
I do a 1500-2000 word piece on an old movie star and I go to Lincoln
Center and just xerox tons of original material on them and of course
I keep all of that in the files. My dream is to be locked in Lincoln
Center over a weekend and have unlimited access to the xerox machine,
it's an incredible place. Theda Bara left her scrapbooks to Lincoln
Center and those were just amazing to go through. It's so sad because
they're falling to shreds and there's nothing they can do about it.
PP: A stylistic parallel between your biographies of Jean
Harlow and Theda Bara -- and something that I appreciated reading
-- is the fact that you actually admitted when certain records are
no longer available to prove or disprove undocumented information.
EG: That is really important, I think, in a biography and
it really annoys me when biographers pretend to know things that
they can't possibly know. You have to give your readers credit for
some intelligence. There are some things that you just don't know
and what you have to do is place the best evidence before them and
say this is what we do know, come to your own conclusions. And that's
what I do because there's lots of things that I can never know.
I'd like to write a book about Rudolph Valentino someday and then
you have to get into the whole thing about "was he gay, was he straight, was he bisexual?" We
don't know and people don't like to hear that. But at this late date
in time there are certain things that will never be known and all
you can do is say this is what we know, this is my best guess, come
to your own conclusion. I'm glad you brought that up because I think
that's really important not to try to fake your readers out and
pretend to know something that you don't. It makes me feel like
the biographer's trying to put something over on you. My rules for
biographies are never quote conversations, never make up dialogue,
never use exclamation marks -- exclamation marks have no place in
nonfiction. Don't tell them something is exciting, make them feel
it through what you're saying. As soon as I see a biography with
invented dialogue I toss it across the room, I just can't read any
further.
PP: Speaking of biographical novelization, I just picked
up a copy of Patricia Hearst's "Murder At San Simeon"...
EG: (Moans) I will go on record as saying Patricia Hearst
is the last person to be digging up family scandals. I really don't
think this woman can afford to throw stones. She may take into mind
that the major reason that Orson Welles' career failed in Hollywood
was because he was mean to Marion Davies. You don't screw around with
Marion Davies, everybody loved that woman.
PP: Along the lines of quotation, you attribute many direct
quotes to Jean and Mama Jean. Were those from personal letters?
EG: Those are from letters and from interviews and it was
easy with Jean to tell when she was being quoted accurately because
she had a very specific speech pattern. In a lot of press releases
and interviews you would see her using very flowery press agent-type
language and you could tell right off the bat, so in that case I
would say "Jean was quoted as saying" or "in article it said." But she had
a very plain, flat-out, non-flowery speech so it was really very easy
with her. Surprisingly enough, Louella Parsons was very good at quoting
people accurately. She has a bad name but she really worked hard on
her interviews. With Theda it was a lot harder because Theda really
did speak like that. She was really tough to tell between the interviews
and her real speech and in some cases I had to fudge it saying "well
she was quoted as saying, we don't know whether she actually said it
or not." But with Jean it was really pretty easy because after a
while I really learned her speech pattern.
PP: Do you feel that fan magazines of that era were used
as tools of the studio publicity machines? How reliable are they
as sources?
EG: Oh gosh yes, of course they were. But on the other
hand a lot of interviews were done in person. If Jean had said something
horrendous, if she sat there and told a fan magazine writer "Oh yeah,
I shot Paul Bern," they wouldn't have printed it (laughs) but if
they asked her about her favorite color then your quote was probably
pretty accurate. As a matter of fact I saw Esther Ralston and she
said she did'nt ever remember being misquoted by a fan magazine.
PP: The tabloid mentality wasn't around back then.
EG: It wasn't really until the 50's. Well, they had the tabloid
newspapers back then like The New York Graphic which did that
sort of story but it wasn't really until the 50's and Confidential magazine
that that thing really started and it really hasn't stopped since.
And you know, I think people are really getting sick of it. On the
other hand, I will say that if you are getting paid $12 million to
do a movie you can damn well wave to the camera. We aren't paying Julia
Roberts $12 million for her talent, we are paying her to be a movie
star. And Sharon Stone is one of the few people who understands that.
I love Sharon Stone because she understand the duties and responsibilities
of being a movie star as well as being an actress and that's something
that most people have forgotten nowadays.
PP: I didn't pay much attention to Sharon Stone until she
hosted Turner's Harlow biography special but I did notice afterwards
that she does seem to encompass that era on some levels. I was surprised
at the inaccuracies of that special and how annoying it was that
you could tell she was reading from cue cards.
EG: It could have been worse. She wrote me a lovely letter;
I got in touch with her when I heard she was doing that and I sent
her a copy of the book and said that I was obviously concerned about
how it was going to be done. I don't know what she was shooting at
the time but she wrote me a very nice letter saying that they'll try
to be sure that it's as accurate as possible. It was nice of her to
take time out to do that.
PP: That's nice, some celebrities might have ignored your
letter.
EG: Just like Joan Crawford, always answer your fan mail!
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